A&A Ep. 96
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Karrie: [00:00:00] Welcome to Awakened and Alive After 40.
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Karrie: and Karrie, two friends and coaches who are passionate about sharing our knowledge and insights on these two powerful self awareness systems to help you succeed. step outside the box and into a life that is true to who you really are.
Dominique: We're so grateful to have you here. Let's jump into today's episode.
Karrie: Hello everyone. Welcome back to the Awakened and Alive After 40 podcast. I know I say this every time, but I probably am the most excited today for what we're about to do because we are talking to my best friend, Ellen. She and I have such a history together. We have so many fun stories, [00:01:00] but we have a very specific topic that we're excited to talk about today because it's something Dominique and I have wanted to touch on in an episode. And I said, I can't talk about this topic without Ellen coming on because she and I were the ones who were really having this great conversation and came to this great realization that we are going to get to later in the episode. But first, we just wanted to say welcome, Ellen, to the podcast.
Ellen: Yay! Thank you. I'm so excited. I listen to you guys all the time. Obviously Karrie's my bestie, so getting to chit chat with you guys about all this fun stuff, I'm just pumped.
Dominique: This is exciting for me too because I remember when Karrie first brought this topic idea to me, and I was like, Oh my God, yes, we absolutely need to do this. And then I found out that you are a Splenic Projector, which I will share more about in this time together. And it's just the perfect topic. And Karrie, what is that topic we're gonna be speaking on.
Karrie: We're going [00:02:00] to be talking a little bit about the idea of bravery. But before we started that, I just wanted to give, like, a little background about me and Ellen as friends and how we met. So, Ellen and I both worked in public education. She was a classroom teacher. I was the speech language pathologist at the school. Ellen, can you tell us just a little bit about your career story because I know it's still in progress, but I find it really interesting and really reassuring because you and I are experiencing sort of the same type of transformation and wanting to look for a new path in our life.
Ellen: Yeah, for sure. So I think that for me, I've always known that I didn't want to do one thing all the time. I was kind of the kid that was like, oh, I want to do this or I want to do this, I want to do this. And I mean, I changed my major three times in college, if that shows anything, went to three different schools, so. But I did settle on teaching. I've always loved kids and teaching just comes really naturally to me. I met Karrie when I was a public school teacher [00:03:00] teaching kindergarten and first grade. I was in education for 12 years, until this past year. So I was a substitute. I was a classroom teacher, mostly in primary grades. Karrie and I both taught English in Spain for a couple years. Then I came back, really missed my own classroom, did that for another five years. But last year I decided to take a break. I kind of knew in September it was time for a change. I didn't feel as fulfilled, as successful, just as in it as I should be, and I have a really strong belief that teachers need to be like fully in it to be effective. So I was like, okay, this will either be a clean break or just a short term break. But this past year has been really leaning into learning about interior design, which is one of the majors I studied in college for two years but never tried professionally. So I've been taking more classes, helping friends and family with projects, not doing it professionally right now. But it's fun to have this other thing that could be work for me. But yeah, so I'm in [00:04:00] this transition period and thankfully Karrie is also, like, we're both going through this change of our professional identities. As a teacher, it was so much part of my identity for a long time that it's been really interesting nine or ten months that that's not my identity anymore and, like, how else am I defining myself and where else do I see myself in the world? So, yeah, that's where I'm at right now, in my mid thirties, which is strange but fun and also weirdly expected because I always saw myself changing.
Karrie: I do have to say, when I worked with Ellen in the schools, her classroom was always gorgeous. So we always knew she had this knack for creating good feeling spaces. All the teachers would go into her classroom and be like, Oh my God, like, give me tips. Can you help me? She just creates this vibe in her classroom and in her own home through her, I think it's a natural ability she has through design. I don't have it and so it's really hard for me to relate to, but whenever I'm in her place I'm like, yes, I just love everything in here, but I never would have known how to put any [00:05:00] of this together
Ellen: That's so sweet. I love that. And yeah, I I grew up like always loving redecorating everything I'm like helping my parents buy furniture when I'm like eight. I'm like, that doesn't look good. That looks good. But yeah, in the classroom, it was fun as a teacher to get to kind of like move that muscle a bit and design an entire space that's for learning, that you want it to feel a certain way. I got a lot of positive feedback throughout the different classrooms and schools and buildings I was in, so that was a really fun crossover.
Dominique: I love hearing all of this because right away my brain is percolating on your chart because I did look at it ahead of time. And there's just so much in your chart that shows themes of improving, whether it be like things, places, up through your teaching, just correcting, improving so that you can experience more happiness, more joy. And that flows into teaching, right? Like that's why your teaching is to improve the minds of the [00:06:00] children so that they can thrive and have experiences of joy in life. So it's just really fascinating. Also you mentioning your curiosity and maybe being full of different ideas, I resonate with that because you and I share a theme in our charts that has to do with ideas and curiosity and trying things out, testing things out. And I think that's a big part of the connection to our topic today, too, with bravery and how we define it differently for each of us. Like my idea of bravery is going to be different from Ellen's is going to be different from Karrie's. I also think that that does have a lot to do with our purpose here as well, which in the Human Design chart, it does show a lot about life purpose and themes that we experience. This is going to be a great topic to chat more on.
Karrie: Another interesting thing Ellen said was she wasn't feeling success in the classroom anymore as a teacher, and within [00:07:00] Human Design for Projectors, success is our key theme to know that we're on the right paths. So when we feel successful, it's a sign to us that we are headed in the right direction. So that's amazing that you were already tuned into that for yourself, that that was missing for you, and so you knew it was time to pivot in a new way,
Dominique: I'm curious with you bringing that up, Karrie, and this question being for Ellen. Does bitterness feel like it plays a role in your life in any way, like feeling of bitterness when something maybe isn't aligned for you? When we talk about that emotional theme that Karrie just brought up, success is showing that we're on track, we're in alignment. Bitterness is the sign for when we are off track, and that's not for judging ourselves but for alerting ourselves to like, wait a minute, let's maybe reroute, re examine things. Bitterness can be so many different... it can be anger. It can be jealousy. It can be so many different things. And so I'm curious, [00:08:00] what that feels like if that feels familiar to you.
Ellen: Oh, yeah, for sure. I think I'm prone to that feeling. And I noticed it a lot. The whole misery loves company thing, I noticed the last couple years of teaching when they got so hard, me and all of my co workers and I, just the negativity that would breed on each other, you know, we're getting happy hour at least once a week or we are just bitching about this that and the other thing with work and like that's not gonna yield very many results. Sure that's fun every once in a while because you're in it together, but I did feel it becoming just kind of this breeding ground for like more and more bitterness. And then when you go to work, you're thinking of all this stuff, you know, so that's not great. So yeah, I think I can be prone to that. I often seek change, and sometimes that is coming from, oh, I'm done with this. Like, this is not serving me anymore. And then when I get in that mindset of making the change, I do sometimes become bitter towards the thing I'm changing from. That I've noticed for sure. Like even moving, I was in a house up in Seattle, and then when I decided I don't want to be in the house anymore, I want to move to an apartment, I [00:09:00] got bitter towards the neighborhood I was in, anytime something would break, I was just like, oh, this house drive me crazy. I need to change. Yeah. I can see that.
Dominique: Oh, that's, yeah. That's fascinating. And Karrie, you told me a great story or conversation that you and Ellen had that kind of just sparked this whole idea of having Ellen on, and I would love for you to share that.
Karrie: So this happened last summer. Our friend group were all together having a girls weekend together in Portland, Oregon. Ellen and I were sort of behind the group just walking along the sidewalk chatting, and we saw a sign about a walk-in opportunity to do improv. And I was like, oh my gosh, improv. And Ellen's like, oh, I would do improv. And I said to her, wow, you're so brave for doing improv. And she said, no, that like that's not brave to me because I know I'd be good at it and it wouldn't be scary to me to do it, so that's not [00:10:00] bravery. And that just like I got chills down my body when she said it. It was like this whole mindset shift that I had just always thought bravery was defined in one way, bravery was seen through one lens. But it just blew my mind that this idea of bravery is completely subjective, because we all have different fears. We all have different things that would take us out of our comfort zone. And so what is brave for me to do isn't brave for someone else. For me, it would be really brave to do improv because it would be so far outside of my comfort zone. It's not part of my skill set. I don't have any ability toward doing improv. But for Ellen, she is a much more outgoing person. She has a stage presence. She's an Enneagram Type 7, so she just has this different type of personality than I have. And for her, it just wouldn't be brave to do it. This is still blowing my mind [00:11:00] trying to explain it. So, Ellen, chime in if you have anything to add.
Ellen: Yeah, I'm thinking back to when we were on that sidewalk, and we saw that sign, and to me, I made that observation, because I was like, oh, that looks fun. And then it was more than the difference of this looks fun to me and not fun to you. Like when we thought about, oh with the bravery, because you use that word brave, and I was like, wait a second. That's not what I'm feeling right now when I'm thinking about going up on a stage. I'm not thinking this would be an incredibly brave thing for me to do, but that's what you were thinking. It was one of those like, aha moments. I remember we kind of just stopped on the sidewalk and looked at each other. We were like, Oh my God, we just stumbled on something so interesting, fascinating. We couldn't wait to tell our other girlfriends about it. I think we're like, we,
Karrie: we had a breakthrough guys.
Ellen: Yeah, we had a breakthrough. We cannot wait to tell you about it. They're like, okay, you two, you know, because Karrie and I are much more inclined to like talk about that type of thing and just kind of go off with it.
Karrie: It is interesting that you said the word fun to like what is fun to you isn't necessarily [00:12:00] fun to me. Like improv sounds like complete torture to me to do it. I mean, I would love to watch it. I'd love to watch you do it.
Ellen: You'd be a great audience for me.
Karrie: I would.
Dominique: And of course only, like, two Projectors would geek out about this enlightened moment you just had.
Karrie: And we are the only two Projectors in that friend group. The rest are our Generators and Manifesting Generators. Yes.
Ellen: I didn't know that.
Dominique: That just, right away, I'm like, of course you guys were just like, oh my god, let me tell the group all about this aha moment.
Karrie: And they were not as excited as we were.
Ellen: No! We were pumped to tell them, like, sit them down and tell them about it. They're like, okay, yeah, cool, guys.
Dominique: And I think it's so interesting as you talk about bravery, because I mean, we all have in our minds, like, bravery, okay, courage, right? But Karrie, you and I, I know we've talked about this a few times on the podcast, like what is your definition of courage, bravery, success, happiness? We all have our own [00:13:00] definitions. And I think that's what just becomes so much of that aha moment is that we can accept each other just for how we are with our differences and find like, Oh my gosh, you know, Karrie, I love, you know, this thing about you because your definition is something so outside of mine, and I wish I could feel that way. You kind of get this like feeling with the other person or whoever you're in conversation with of like gratitude to hear their experience and to hear their thoughts on it. I think it's such a beautiful thing, Karrie, that you were just like blown away by Ellen's experience with what bravery means to her. And I think there's parts in the chart as well in your body graph that may lead more toward you feeling braver in certain situations or even having like spur of the moment courage or insights on things. Actually if you want me to just jump into your chart right now, I [00:14:00] will share the screen and I'll kind of point out a few different things since we're right on this topic of bravery.
Ellen: Go for it. I'm excited to check it out and hear about your insights.
Dominique: Okay, so Ellen, I have your chart right here. Now this is very overwhelming when you look at it initially and I know you're not as familiar with Human Design, so I'm not going to go crazy here, but what you're looking at all of the shapes and lines here, think of it as like a circuit board. This is your energy. This is your energy that you were born with, that you came into the world with, and each of these shapes highlights the way your energy is used thematically in life. I'm just going to share your defined areas, where it's colored in, this is your energy that you have at all times, like this is consistent energy. So you have the ajna, which is where you have inspiration. You're processing thoughts and ideas. There's the throat, which is where we're speaking those [00:15:00] ideas. If you want to call it manifestation. And then you have here, the spleen is defined, which makes you a Splenic Projector, I'll explain that in a moment. Spleen is intuition in the moment, it's well being, it's timing even. So consistent access to time, to well being, knowing, like when something is off with your health or somebody else's even. So there's a lot of knowingness in the spleen for you. And then you have a defined root center, which is a pressure center, and this can be the center where we feel pressure to get things done, to take action. So with these four centers defined, this is again, constant access. You and I have the 11-56 here, which is a channel. This is a major theme in your life. It's all about curiosity. The 11 is all about ideas. You have big ideas. So many ideas. Like sometimes it can be overwhelming. And the 56 is kind of a [00:16:00] storyteller, so you're sharing ideas. But, we've mentioned a couple times that you're a Projector. As a Projector in order for us to properly use energy, and it's precious energy, in order for you to use it properly, it's ideal for you to be recognized and invited to share your ideas. Projectors, they make their presence in the world through their actions, through their guidance, through their support when others recognize that they have something precious to share. They have some juicy information that the other person or group or whoever want to know about, because they recognize that you've got something good and they invite it. And that's when you shine, when you're speaking your mind. You're here to speak about all the ideas and stories and thoughts that you have and curiosities. How does that resonate right now?
Ellen: Oh, yeah, majorly. I mean, everything you're saying about [00:17:00] curiosity being a huge driver in my life, it for sure is. I'm constantly seeking, not more, but just different. I want to see like, what else is out there, how other people live, I travel all the time. I clearly changed jobs. I've probably moved apartments 10 times in the 12 years I've been married. I'm very curious about what else is going on in the world. I love just hearing other people's explanations of things, their view on the world, and I clearly love to talk too. I love having those conversations like we're having now. So that resonates a lot, for sure.
Dominique: That's, that's beautiful. I know this channel very intimately because it is the only one that I have in my chart. What I've come to realize is it's the channel of the seeker, but it's not necessarily about finding answers. It's just seeking because you're curious and you just want to learn about it. So, it's not arriving at anything specific. It's just constant seeking of knowledge, of learning about others, your environment, yourself, and that's where the joy is found, in that constant [00:18:00] seeking. So being okay with having that drive to seek and not necessarily need to arrive at an outcome. This is where it gets even better, I think, when we look at the spleen and the root center. So you have here the 18-58 channel, and the 18 is all about seeing patterns that could be corrected to improve someone's life or to bring more joy, which the 58 is all about cultivating joy. And so the 18-58 is kind of like a critical channel where it's like, okay, I see you're not doing this right or in the best way, let me tell you how to do it. But again, because of being a Projector and it is a projected channel, it's best to be invited to share that information or someone could potentially take that the wrong way and shoot it down, whatever information it is that you have to share. It's simply waiting to be acknowledged, to be seen for, hey, you've got this beautiful ability. [00:19:00] And the 18 is up here in your consciousness sun, which is a big, big part of your energy that you are here to put out into the world. It's about correction to find joy in one's life. The other area that you have is the 28-38. I know the 28 very well because that's my sun, and it is a gate of struggle, challenge, adventure though. I like to look at it as adventure, seeing challenges that we may face as learning opportunities and adventurous. So, knowing what is worth fighting for, that's a big part of that 28-38. It's knowing what is worth fighting for, living for, dying for, and going after it. It's beautiful energy to have that really is part of like that bravery as well. So finding the courage to fight for what you believe in. With you having a defined spleen, making you a splenic Projector, that means your inner compass, your inner knowing is going to [00:20:00] speak to you in the moment. So what is right for you, it's going to be very quick in the moment. It's not going to be subtly coming on. It's not going to come and go and come and go. It's like a ping. You either respond to it right then and there or it passes you by. This is where with splenic Projectors, one way to really get to know your inner compass is to be aware of when something pings you, and if you recognize that you kind of sit on it or you hesitate, be okay with it, get to know that. But over time, by kind of checking in with yourself, you'll be able to catch it more in the moment instead of having that little bit of doubt that might pop up. Because we're not taught about all the differences our intuition speaks to us. That's one thing I love so much about Human Design. I heard you say wow a couple of times. What resonated with you when I just spoke about that ping and in the moment of your knowingness?
Ellen: Yeah. Oh my gosh. It was hard not to stop you all the time and just be [00:21:00] like, yes, yes, yes, yes. I feel like Karrie and I, cause she knows me so well, we couldn't stop nodding, like heavy nodding on everything you were saying. I think that that that paying that intuition, that is really how I live my life. I've always been described as a spontaneous person. For all of my tendencies to be organized, to be a leader, all of those things that I do have and whether that's nature or nurture, for all of that, I am not a planner. I can't see that far into the future for myself. I am constantly just like, what's interesting now. I don't know what I want to do in three months from now, let alone the five years, like what's interesting right now to me. So that was like, yes, yes, yes.
Dominique: Yeah.
Ellen: Ding, ding, ding.
Dominique: And the 57 here on the spleen, that's the gate of the now. That is being present right now. The fear for that gate can be fear of the future, for thinking too far out. With the 57, it's all about the here and the now. As you're mentioning the planning and things like that and that's a beautiful thing about the spleen, that I have come to recognize and with people in [00:22:00] my life who have a defined spleen, they're very, very present or they have the ability to just like hone in on present. I have an open spleen, and I am all over the place. When I mentioned earlier that the spleen is all about timing as well, that for me is where I'm all over the place. I'm past, present, future, and just pinging around everywhere. I lose track of time. I would not know what time it is right now if I didn't have a clock. I don't have that deep like knowingness of time, that connection. Where I find that people who have a defined spleen is that they can really connect to the here and now and not bounce around quite as much as what I just explained that I have. And there's that sense of wellbeing that you're more connected to. There's that sense of instinct that you're more connected to because it's consistent energy. Whereas if this was white, that would [00:23:00] be open, this would be someone who could feel it in very different ways. It can come and go. It's not consistently theirs. I think it's such a beautiful thing to have you as a Splenic Projector and to hear what that is like for you. And I'm curious what I just said about time and how that maybe plays out for you. How do you feel your relationship with time is?
Ellen: Yeah. It was interesting to hear your perspective of like bouncing around and not knowing what time it is because I feel the opposite for real. Like not just because my chart says so. I feel very present. For all of my adventurous tendencies, tendencies to want change, like I feel very grounded pretty much at all times. I feel like I know what time it is. I know where I am in the world. I'm hyper aware of the present. I mean, obviously I thought that was normal, but to hear that like other people...
Dominique: It's normal for you.
Ellen: Exactly. So that's what's so fun about this stuff is like, you see what's normal for other people. Right. It all circles back. It's like the bravery thing. It's like, we are not [00:24:00] all experiencing the world in the same way. So it's fun to see, like, where can I fit into that puzzle? What's unique to me that I thought was just standard issue.
Dominique: Yeah. Yeah. And that's what I love also about speaking to you because you don't have really all that knowledge of Human Design like some of the guests we've had on. And so this is pretty new to you, and I love that a lot of this resonates. It's also like confirmation, maybe in a way, like here's your permission slip. Keep doing you because you're on track and you're not going to line up with everyone else. Neither am I. Neither Karrie. And that is what is so beautiful about discovering the differences in each other.
Ellen: And I'm seeing so many parallels to when Karrie and I did my Enneagram typing session, which was what, a year or two ago, Karrie? A while ago.
Karrie: Yeah. Maybe a year and a half. But I was going to say the exact same thing. Dominique and I always have these like, Oh my God moments where we are like these two systems when put [00:25:00] together, can be really powerful for self awareness, insight, just understanding ourselves on a deeper level. And they, in our experience, almost always line up like that, so, like I said, Ellen is an Enneagram 7, probably with a bit of a 6 wing, which I think is what gives you your groundedness, because 7s without that grounded sense of Type 6 can feel a little bit more future focused. Type seven in the Enneagram framework is all about joy, and that's their strength. It's what they bring to the world. It's what they bring out in others, and that's exactly what your Human Design chart shows as well. Yeah,
Ellen: and not to interrupt, but when I keep hearing joy, I think you've talked about on the podcast when years ago, we all did our core values and I'm looking at this list of 200 or whatever, and I was just like joy, boom, grab it. That's the one. That's the number one. It took no debating in my head. The other ones I was like, I don't know but that one I was like, oh, yes. Joy is my purpose. I want to be sitting in joy, bringing joy
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Karrie: It's so funny because Ellen and her husband and my partner and me when we lived in Spain, we did this core values exercise for fun where we took BrenƩ Brown's list of core values, and she says to hone it down to 10 and then cut it down to 5 and then cut it down to 2. So we all did that independently and then came together and talked about it. And I so remember, and this is before I knew anything about Human Design or the Enneagram, and Ellen's was joy, one of her top two. I was like, that tracks because she is the type of person that really does light up a room when she comes in and just makes you feel so good when you're [00:27:00] around her. I think because I'm an Enneagram Type 1, and Type 7 is my growth path, I just really love Type 7 energy because it feels so unobtainable to me unless I really intentionally try to cultivate that. But conversely, my type is your stress path, so when you're overly stressed, you can get, like, really critical and perfectionistic and a little more rigid than your natural sense.
Ellen: But that's how we, like, connect, right? I feel like we can bond in your type and that type being, like, my stressor, like, is a bonding for us, and then, yeah.
Karrie: Yeah, and the cool thing is the arrows can go both ways, so your stress path with a lot of work and intentionality can become what's called the missing piece, which is when you harness your stress path's healthy characteristics. And vice versa, the growth path, when you're around people, you feel super comfortable and like you can totally be yourself and let your hair down, a lot of times will take on the more negative characteristics of our growth path. It can get really confusing. [00:28:00] It's really interesting to view ourselves and our loved ones through these different lenses because it just like, for me at least, it cultivates such a sense of not only knowingness and just closeness, but of compassion. Like understanding when Ellen's stressed, this is maybe how she'll act, or Ellen might have fear over this because of her splenic definition or whatever it may be. Earlier you mentioned the word puzzle, like it fitting together like a puzzle, and I've heard other Human Design experts say that if everyone was living completely within their energy of their Human Design chart perfectly, every Human would fit together perfectly like a puzzle on earth, and everything would function totally optimally.
Ellen: Yeah, I see that. I know this information isn't new, but it's new to me to hear about Enneagram and Human Design and astrology and all these things. And some people obviously think it's woo woo or have a negative opinion of it, but I'm like, how fun to just get more information and how fun to just see more and you don't have to take [00:29:00] everything exactly at face value. You can see like how it resonates with you. I don't know. It's just been so fun to see Karrie on this journey and then meeting you guys and having your podcast, and I'm like, I just think it's fun. It's bringing more joy into my life because I get to see how I fit. I like to think that life has purpose, so finding where you are in the world and how you interact with other people, how can that not be a good thing?
Dominique: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I think like you just mentioned, Ellen, it's like, you're just curious about it. You're staying open minded. And if something doesn't resonate, then you leave it. I feel like if more of us did that, if more of us could just keep an open mindset on all of the information that comes our way, that can create so much more love and compassion around the world with each other, within ourselves and I love that just pure curiosity can really lead to so many other doors opening as well. And even when we look at [00:30:00] bravery, it's how willing are you to be curious? How willing are you to trust the process? And like for me, when I think of bravery, I'll give an example. I always thought that my friends were insane, not insane, but brave, I'll say, for going skydiving or bungee jumping. I was like, are you kidding me? Yeah, no, no way. I am not courageous enough, brave enough, whatever it may be. That's because of my own story that I have around bravery. But it's something that I admire. about my friends though. Part of me wishes that I could be brave enough, but I'm like, you know what? There's things that I would do, they absolutely wouldn't do, and it doesn't seem like a big deal to me. This is where we just add so much flavor into our lives, right?
Ellen: For sure.
Karrie: Ellen has jumped off a bridge.
Ellen: And a plane.
Dominique: Oh my god, yeah, no.
Ellen: Yeah, the physical bravery was [00:31:00] pretty easy in my 20s, I would say. But yeah as you guys were talking, I was thinking about how I think we've come to this, through our conversation, Karrie, and then talking about it, this realization of, like, what's brave for you might not be brave for other people, so that's why we're doing different things. That's why we're not all supposed to do the same thing. But then I'm also thinking about how when you understand that another person, it's easy for them or it doesn't require bravery, maybe that can give you that little extra, okay, maybe this isn't as scary as I thought it would be. If my friend or this other person doesn't think this requires bravery, maybe I can take like one little slice of that fear away for myself. I think that both things can be true. It can open us up to new things that we wouldn't have tried if we didn't see that another person could do it. And it also allows us to see our own lane.
Dominique: Beautiful connection.
Karrie: And other people's energy can impact that because I was telling Dominique, before you got on Ellen, I was just telling her a little bit about how grounding and calming your husband is.
Ellen: Yes. [00:32:00]
Karrie: Particularly to me, but I think to a lot of people. And he's someone who can bring bravery out in people, I think, because he's so reassuring.
Ellen: And he is, like, very few fears. When it comes to things like adrenaline junkie type of things. Obviously he has fears, but like, in the world of bravery and what people will typically think of as brave, he has a lot of that. He doesn't have a lot of fear. Like you said, he's grounding because he's so calm. He's like calmly fearless. He's not like in your face about it.
Karrie: And he doesn't even put a lot of pressure. Yeah. And he's a splenic Projector as well. Yeah.
Dominique: Yeah. He's splenic as well. And I think that's also another beautiful thing to bring up is when we can recognize how each of us as individuals is designed to know what is right for us, then there's just so much more acceptance and compassion. You knowing that you're splenic and your husband being splenic, so making decisions in the moment, like you both have that ability in which it's kind of [00:33:00] perfect. With Karrie and say like myself, I'm what's called a non emotional, and I need time, but it's not based off what my emotions are doing day to day. Karrie is more of someone who needs time. She's not in the moment, and she has this emotional wave that she's designed to kind of ride out and over a day, two days, however long it is, then she'll know what is right for her. So like Ellen, you making decisions in the moment is your thing. But for Karrie, that is not the best way for her to know what is right for her. So knowing these things about each other is just like, oh man, that's great. I know what's right for me. Now let me just give so and so a little bit more time, which Karrie and I did when I presented the idea of a podcast. I had already known she was an...
Karrie: Dominique knew I was emotional.
Dominique: Emotional Projector.
Karrie: So she knew that my decision making process needed time. She's like, don't answer now. I want you to think about this. And I didn't know this about myself yet. She knew more about this than I [00:34:00] did. So I was like, okay, because my first instinct was like, no way. I hate my voice. Like, I don't want to do that. I just wanted to quickly end with a really funny anecdote because this is way before I had ever even heard of Human Design, but Ellen and her husband and my partner and me have taken trips together, and we've vacationed a lot together. In particular, I just wanted to tell about when we, I mean, this is the theme of every trip, but it was very evident when we all four went to Hawaii together. Like we said, Ellen's a Projector, her husband's a Projector, and I'm a Projector, and my partner is a Manifesting Generator. And it is, without doubt, every time we travel, my partner has to be physical, exercise, get his energy out. So every morning he would get up and go for a run on the beach or go work out or go do whatever. And Ellen, her husband, and me would leisurely go get an iced coffee, sit around, have these really good conversations, play some cards, and then when my partner [00:35:00] was done with his physical activity and getting his energy out, he would come join us. And this is like how it goes every time we travel together that I end up being like the third wheel with Ellen and her husband, because I don't want to exercise in the morning on vacation.
Ellen: You know, it's not third wheel at this point. It's expected. It's like the three of us are going to go do our thing. And that's so funny. Every single morning in Hawaii, we did that.
Dominique: That's so classic though. Manifesting Generator energy, like it is so important for them to get their energy out and to stay active. But for Projectors, some Projectors do require exercise and vigorous activity. But for me, I'm listening to you talk, oh yeah, I would have been right there with you getting coffee, waking up with leisurely time, and yeah.
Karrie: Where my sister's also a Manifesting Generator, and she would have been with my partner exercising. When I was visiting her recently, we woke up early one morning and she's like, I just have to go to the gym. Will that bother you if I just [00:36:00] leave for a while? And I said, no, I could sleep for a couple more hours while you're at the gym.
Ellen: Right? It's never a problem for me to fill a few hours in the morning with a little, a little bit of this, a little bit of that, mostly horizontally. Come on. That's easy.
Dominique: Oh, I love it. I love it. But see, now like we're sitting here, we're laughing about it. We love those parts of our partners. We like find it charming or we just simply are okay with it because that's what makes them them.
Karrie: Well, this conversation has been so joyful for me, which I'm trying to cultivate more of in my life. So Ellen, thank you so much for being willing to come on here. I know you have not been on a podcast before, so it was maybe a little out of your comfort zone, maybe a little brave. It was so fun chatting with you about these topics and hopefully everyone listening gathered some ideas about bravery that'll make you think and maybe step outside of your comfort [00:37:00] zone a little bit more.
Ellen: Absolutely. I love chatting with you guys. Obviously I could do this for hours and hours. This was so fun. I just loved it. And getting to see my chart and hear from you, Dominique, was fascinating. I told you on purpose, I did not look at it beforehand or research much. So getting to hear that kind of for the first time in real time was super fun, and, Karrie, love you forever. So thank you guys for inviting me.
Dominique: Thank you, Ellen. Thank you for all the shares and for your beautiful insight on bravery.
Karrie: Thank you for listening to this episode. Your support is so appreciated.
Dominique: If you'd like to have a question answered about your Human Design or Enneagram type in a future episode, you can submit it through the link in the show notes. We'd love to hear from [00:38:00] you.
